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Hey all, I have been researching global warming and I recentley came across Pelosi's post. Many on there either tell her what she knows or wants to hear, or bash her for her stance. I would like to ask you, If you do not believe in global warming, to tell me why. I'll try to combat your answers with my knowledge. May the best person win. By the way, no derogatory comments. If you don't like my position, tell me why, dont call me an "ecomarxist".
I know most people will not read this post, they will just give me a thumbs down so here’s a summary of questions for the global warming crowd to think about, these have not been answered or even acknowledged by the global warming community. - Why does CO2 always rise after temperature? - Why is Mars warming? - If temperature is raise by CO2 than why did global temperature drop between 1940 and 1970 while CO2 continued to rise? - Why is the troposphere cooling if the greenhouse effect is the source of the earth’s warming? - What about the numerous studies showing the sun is the cause of temperature change? - Who funds global warming scientists? - Why is a scientific consensus claimed? - Why can you still see marks on rocks that mark the water level in the 1800’s? - Why is the center of the artic and Antarctic ice shelves cooling? - Why are the same glaciers retreating on one edge and expanding on the other? The idea of man made global warming is false; it is based on false, misinterpreted, or biased evidence. When “An Inconvenient Truth” came out it was supposed to be the final word in proving global warming exists, but it did not. It was hosted solely by a politician who has no scientific training and presented only 2 graphs. According to these sources almost everything Al Gore claimed was either false or greatly exaggerated. a movie that debunks global warming (hosted by actual scientists and presenting more than 2 graphs) look here: This scientist says it will be a joke in 5 years: One of the biggest claims by the global warming crowd is that there is a scientific consensus, this is a blatant and shameful lie. This claim is made to coerce you into belief because there is no opposition, right? Wrong, these 17,000+ scientists would disagree with the idea of a scientific consensus. Come to think of it when is the last time you heard that there is a scientific consensus that actually cited numbers? There never has been, people will claim that 90% of scientists agree, this number is made up. Here are the real numbers: It seems there is a scientific consensus against global warming. Some people will ask if I expect all the scientists who agree with global warming will come out one day and say we were joking, fooled you. No I don’t believe that, this will happen: Here’s 21 pages of disagreement: Here’s some general information on my position. The central claim by the global warming crowd is that human generated CO2 is causing the current warming of the earth, this is false. An ice core sample like the one Al Gore showed actually shows the opposite, temperature rises the concentration of CO2. The global warming crowd hardly ever shows this graph, they will only show graphs of the last 50 years or so, that is because if you take any particular 50 years it appears that CO2 is leading temperature, go ahead try it with the spike 250,000 years ago. This is because a rise in temperature causes the sea to give up stored CO2: Here’s another ice core study that clearly shows a cyclical pattern in earth’s temperature, we are currently at a warming phase. The main greenhouse gas is water vapor, which accounts for 95% of the greenhouse effect, CO2 only accounts for 3.6%. It makes up only .03% of our atmosphere. Of that only a about 6Gt of that comes from humans another 150Gt comes from animals. This is the official NASA CO2 center, they have been studying atmospheric CO2 long before global warming was an issue, they conclude that CO2 is not the cause of warming. If the earth was warming due to the greenhouse effect the troposphere would also be warming thus radiating the heat to the surface of the earth, but its not, the troposphere is actually cooling, only the earths surface is heating pointing to a more direct source of warming. And the claim that our current levels of CO2 are unprecedented are also false: If CO2 determines temperature why did the temperature drop between the years of 1940 and 1970 while the concentration of CO2 increased? The sun is causing our warming along with interplay between the sea currents. For proof look at the fact that mars is also warming. Time to dispel myths of global warming: 1) Last year was the hottest year on record. False, a number of sources above address this and so does this one The world has actually cooled since 1998. 2) This warming is unprecedented. False the medieval warm period was actually warmer. Grapes were grown in England, trees existed in place where there are now glaciers. 3) Glaciers are melting. False, only portions are melting the cores are actually cooling. Some edges are decreasing while other expand. 4) Sea levels will increase 20 feet flooding costal cities. False this is a lie by Al gore, even the IPCC does not agree with this. The seas are increasing in some areas and decreasing in others. 5) This current idea is a first climate crisis. False, in the 1970’s there was a scare of global cooling. A scientific consensus was claimed, evidence poured in, and now, global warming. Hundreds of studies came in supporting the idea but we now know this idea was wrong. 6) Computer models predict further warming. The computer models are unreliable, they all depend on dozens of assumptions, if any one is wrong the whole model is wrong. Also every model assumes human CO2 causes temperature increase so the outcome is always more warming. Computer models by scientists on the other side predict cooling. 7) The only scientists who disagree are paid by big oil. This is false, most are paid by non partisan groups. This also begs a counter question, who pays global warming scientists? The answer big environmental companies who make millions off selling global warming materials, alternate fuels, green living products, etc. Now the IPCC. Some will claim that the IPCC addressed solar impact and natural sources of CO2, they didn’t, see for yourself: The IPCC is a political organization that knows what it will conclude before it starts its science. It has published a fake graph (the hockey stick graph) and later had to retract the report after THEY admitted it was wrong, yet they still use the graph. Scientists who disagreed with global warming were either excluded or censored. If you actually read this post you should at least realize that global warming is not an absolute truth, it is the subject of active scientific debate.
I personally am neutral on this subject, but if you would like to know why some people don't believe in global warming I will tell you. People don't think that the globe is warming because we are still coming out of an ice age. People don't think we have monitored the temperatures long enough to show significant data to prove the global warming theory. They think that it is a natural stage that the earth is going through, and it sort of makes sense, I mean we have only monitored the earths increasing temperatures for a little over 100 years, and the earth has been around a lot longer than that. So the people that don't believe in global warming think that it is a natural stage that will happen again and again.
I DO believe that the Earth is warming at this point in time, but I don't believe that its permanent. I think that the Earth has cycles of warmer stages and colder stages. And besides calling the last 10 years the hottest years ever RECORDED means nothing. They don't have weather records in the year 1500. Who's to say that the hottest year wasn't in 1492 or something. Another thing I have thought about. From what I heard, most scientists believe that the temp will go up 1 degree (according to most media sources, but since they blown the story way out of proportion who knows what to believe) Now for example you have a freezer. The freezer temp stays constant at 15 degrees farenheight (-9 deg. centigrade) Now if you switch the dial on your freezer up one degree that won't melt the ice which is in your ice box. Maybe I am wrong but this is just common sense. Now say I am wrong about global warming....Its actually true....the solution to global warming IS TO PLANT MORE TREES... Trees use CO2 and release Oxygen, but these air heads are saying I have to stop driving my car to work and start riding my bike 32 miles. Once again the solution is to plant more trees! It will help the environment as well as provide a home for animals, etc. I'll leave it at that.
Not. Because wether is repetitive. The older people always remember that some years ago, the weather was like it is now and scientifical studies about weather made in the more distanced past are few. Of course we can help ourselves having a more beautiful environment by planting new trees and we could breath better if we would try to use at least when we can public transport, bikes, foot. But I doubt that it has something to do with global warming. Then again, maybe I'm too ignorant.
Since you have been researching global warming you may have come to the conclusion that I have: 1) It is real and the ocean and atmospheric exchange of water vapor creates most of the CO2. 2) Deforestation has more impact than burning fossil fuels 3) We are in an interglacial time when warming is natural and may continue for some time. 4) Humans may effect 0.3% or less of the warming. 5) We should spend more time on reforestation, repositioning agriculture and raising animals, reducing the population in low lying areas and getting ready for the inevitable. 6) We probably have little or no impact on changing the direction of the temperature.
I am willing to believe the earth may be getting warmer; the real question you should be asking is how much of an effect man is having. In this current debate, I see 3 key pieces of information which seem to be missing. These include: Exactly how much is man able to add to the total warming as a percentage? If we can prove man is a major factor in the warming of the earth how much can we really do to change the our climate? How much will these efforts cost? This is key because there is a movement afoot to pour a large part of our resources to solving a "problem" which may not really be a problem (if you look at past cyclical climate changes) and we may not be able to measurable affect. With potentially billions of dollars in play, if I had to choose whether to spend the money to fight world hunger and illness (proven immediate problems) or to fight "global warming" (may or may not be a problem) I know where I want my tax dollars spent. As for some facts, please review the link below.
To the previous answer: It is. Ok? It Just is. Now that we've made equally valid remarks. There is strong data that correlates the global rise in temperature to the combined rise of population and ever increasing CO2 emissions from the industrialized world. I think it comes down to a choice between two overall pictures of the worlds future. In choice A, we continue just as we have for years, making more CO2, more pollution, using more limited resources without a care in the world about the consequences while wondering where the hell this drought came from, why the water you CAN find isn't safe to drink, & why gas costs $6 a gallon. In choice B, We can begin now--working as a society to reduce energy consumption by making everything that uses energy, more efficient and by creating that energy in environmentally friendly ways. We can work to reduce pollution by choosing to limit what we consume and making sure more of what we do consume doesn't end up in a landfill through recycling programs. We can even redeem those nasty landfills by making use of their byproducts to produce energy. We can help ensure the presence of clean water by not wasting as much of it and by reclaiming and using what we can, where we can. My point is that working toward a more environmentally friendly future, whether because of the threat of global warming or not, is just smarter. The ideal is that as time goes on, society gets better. Part of getting better is making better use of the resources we do have and leaving the least negative impact as possible on the only planet that we have to call home. I'm not generally an optimist or idealist by any means but on occasion, I prefer to hold on to a little hope and believe in the power of the human race to improve our overall condition. Maybe you...just don't.
Well what science actually supports it? The ice record right? ohio there is only one problem with the ice record, the CO2 levels in the ice lag behind the temperature of the atmosphere. This means heat is leading CO2 production. Why? Well let’s look at the greatest CO2 producer, the ocean. When water is warmer it releases more CO2 then when it is cooler. So when it is warmer in the atmosphere the oceans will release more CO2. So why the time lag? Simple, oceans are so big that it takes decades to warm up or cool down, hence the delay in the ice record. Al Gore forgot to mention that in his movie. Lastly the CO2 in the atmosphere makes up about 0.038% of the gases in the atmosphere. (I've heard reports of up to 0.05%). No man made CO2 is a fraction of that, can such a slight increase of CO2 drastically change the temperature of the earth or could it be something else? I dunno... maybe the sun. Let's remember that the sun is also constantly fluctuating in temperature too.
I definately believe global warming is real! I do not know what else has to possibly happen for proplr to realize whats going on around them.. The weather change, the glaciers that have been around for how long that are now MELTING AWAY..and the global warming isnt the only thing that breaks my heart, it is the entire enviroment..I am an animal lover and the pollutin, recycleing, global warming is killing alot of species of animals, and i have kids and when they have kids those animals may not even be around for my grandkids to enjoy..HELL even the glaciers will probably no longer be around, Dude people just dont care, so props to ya!! keep it up
If the polar ice cap is melting, it's certainly not due to anything other than the air and water temps getting hotter. Think about it...you've got tornado's where they haven't been before, other strange weather in other places, plants and animals showing up in places they have never been before...they are just following the shift that global warming has created. Sure these things have happened in cycles in the past, but to this degree? Take all the factors from the past and what's the difference with today? PEOPLE.
Well I may be the only one but no I don't believe in global warming. See I am a Christian and I believe that when God says it's time for us to go then we will go. We won't die from global warming, however many years from now!! Global Warming WILL NOT KILL US. If you read in the bible there will be a rapture where ALL the believers will go to heaven. "global warming" won't kill them before. This is what I believe. P.S. I HATE SCIENTIST that think we evolved from the apes, and say we'll die of global warming and things of that sort. And of course I'm a republican...................